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#	💭 Title	💬	👥	🙋 Last editor	🕒 (UTC)
1	Flag of Minnesota	5	4	Gestumblindi	2024-05-17 19:11
2	I didn't find a map with the purpose I wanted	4	3	Broichmore	2024-05-21 19:58
3	Wrongly uploaded file.	2	2	Jmabel	2024-05-17 14:52
4	Page in PDF and page in the physical book	2	2	Jmabel	2024-05-17 22:16
5	Editor trying to rename hundreds of images to include the location	16	5	Asclepias	2024-05-23 20:01
6	Editing a file's metadata	3	3	Prototyperspective	2024-05-18 15:06
7	Mandatory captions	9	5	Ymblanter	2024-05-20 21:47
8	Changes in UploadWizard: lost autonumbering	3	3	Marsupium	2024-05-23 09:48
9	Expain to me, please, what I have done wrong	8	6	Jeff G.	2024-05-19 01:52
10	Top right icon for POTY finalists and winners	2	2	Basile Morin	2024-05-19 08:03
11	Transcriptions of uploads at Commons	4	3	Adamant1	2024-05-20 01:04
12	Is there a page or list of wikipedia entries that are considered examples to follow?	2	2	Jeff G.	2024-05-20 10:57
13	Verify the existence of paintings	6	4	Alexpl	2024-05-20 15:43
14	Новый интерфейс загрузки	3	3	Jmabel	2024-05-20 17:04
15	Identity theft	2	2	Jmabel	2024-05-21 01:36
16	Bugs in Upload Wizard	4	3	ITookSomePhotos	2024-05-21 21:42
17	Strange behaviour of PDF previewer	3	2	ZandDev	2024-05-23 11:28
18	Photo challenge March results	1	1	Jarekt	2024-05-21 03:32
19	Rename a file	8	6	Bjh21	2024-05-23 12:50
20	Feedback invited on Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle	1	1	RamzyM (WMF)	2024-05-22 02:24
21	British English = Tsonga?	4	3	Jeff G.	2024-05-22 19:08
22	Emilio Segrè Visual Archives	5	2	Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )	2024-05-23 17:56
23	Problem with Upload	2	2	Jmabel	2024-05-23 17:32
24	dates in structured data	2	2	ReneeWrites	2024-05-23 07:19
25	How is this possible ?	2	2	Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )	2024-05-23 16:55
26	Photographers	2	2	Ipr1	2024-05-23 21:00
27	Category:Bain copyright notice and Bettman	2	2	Asclepias	2024-05-23 18:44
28	Italian cultural heritage law application outside Italy	9	5	Jeff G.	2024-05-24 08:38

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May 11

Flag of Minnesota

Maybe that wasn't the wisest move. File:Flag of Minnesota.svg is now the new, current flag of Minnesota. But until it was moved yesterday by User:Mateus2019, the file that is now File:Flag of Minnesota (1983–2024).svg was using that file name. The result is that Wikipedia pages or page sections in various language versions that explicitly deal with Minnesota's old flag suddenly wrongly show the new flag, because it's using the same file name. For example, I had to update de:Siegel Minnesotas which basically said "the seal of Minnesota is shown on the state flag" accompanied by the new state flag which doesn't show the seal at all. Of course this was a good opportunity to also update the text to say that it's shown on the old state flag, but I don't know how many similar cases there may be in the many projects that use File:Flag of Minnesota.svg. Gestumblindi (talk) 22:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree. Existing filenames should not be repurposed for new different files UNLESS they carry the {{Current}} template. This causes chaos for any wikis that uses InstantCommons (which includes a lot more than just Wikipedia). User:Abzeronow, FYI. Nosferattus (talk) 21:40, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

@Fry1989: The redirect was moved to the new file after Mateus had moved the file to a different name (that same user also filed a DR Commons:Deletion requests/File:Flag of Minnesota.svg so the redirect could be deleted.) I believe most wikis were using it to show what the flag of Minnesota is and I had believed at the time, there was enough consensus to do the move. I probably could have waited a day or two for the various wikis to change text to prepare for the change in the flags, but I do believe the move was less disruptive than the alternative. However, in the future, I'll wait to verify there is consensus to move the file if a similar case happens. Abzeronow (talk) 21:56, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

When flags have changed in the past, the move of the old flag to include the bracketed years of use and the new flag taking over the current namespace was performed in relatively short order. I find this rather silly. Projects are editable, any "disruption" can be easily corrected. Fry1989 ^eh? 16:59, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I think that Commons shouldn't force projects using Commons files to edit their pages. As the articles on the flag of Minnesota need all updating of the text anyway, too, I think that in the meantime an outdated article that correctly describes and shows the old flag of Minnesota is still better than a "mix-up" article that talks about the old flag and shows the new flag alongside (because it's automatically embedded from Commons...) - Projects shouldn't have to deal with Commons files suddenly changing their content completely. Gestumblindi (talk) 19:11, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

May 14

I didn't find a map with the purpose I wanted

Hello. Have a good week. I did not find any map on Wikimedia Commons that captures the tropical and subtropical oceans of planet Earth. I'm writing about creatures that live in tropical and subtropical oceans and seas, but I don't have a map for it. Mário NET (talk) 00:42, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Do you mean something like the files in Category:Alisov's classification? --HyperGaruda (talk) 18:42, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm talking about a map that has colored much like the killer whale distribution, but a map that marked what are considered oceanic tropical and subtropical regions together and as a whole. I am writing about a genus of mollusk that sails in tropical and subtropical waters (the Argonaut) and I would like to point out where this genus sails. Mário NET (talk) 15:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

You could ask for a map to be designed to your specification at Commons:Graphic Lab/Map workshop? - Broichmore (talk) 19:58, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

May 17

Wrongly uploaded file.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kafe_20220718_092905.jpg

Please delete this... 01x07x2022000 (talk) 10:36, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@01x07x2022000: you uploaded this years ago. I see you have also started a normal DR, which at this point is probably the only process by which it can be deleted. - Jmabel ! talk 14:52, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Page in PDF and page in the physical book

Hello. I am looking at some images scanned from a physical book, like this one: File:1938 CoA of interwar Zalau.jpg. As it is sometimes the case with digitized books, the page numbers in the resulted PDF do not match with the page numbers in the actual book. For example, while the provided image is found in the source PDF at page 1001, if we take a look at the scan we realize it was page 697 in the physical copy.

Is there a structured way to indicate both page numbers in {{Information}} – like some sort of a template? If not, how would you suggest to improve the text for the Source parameter in order to clearly explain the difference between PDF page and physical page? (At the moment it only displays the PDF page.) Thanks. Gikü (talk) 21:15, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@Gikü: I'm unaware of anything standard, but I've been known to write, for example, "p. 4 (p. 9 of PDF)". - Jmabel ! talk 22:16, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Editor trying to rename hundreds of images to include the location

Jugermai (talk · contribs) has submitted hundreds of file rename requests (see their contribs) to add locations to images (at the beginning of the filename, too, rather than at the end), even when disambiguation is not needed. Has there been a discussion somewhere that suggested this would be a good thing? Isn't that what categories are for: to indicate the location of the subject of an image? It seems to me this is needlessly complicating the filenames, as well as moving the most important information (what the image actually contains) to the end of the filename. I don't want to approve any more until it's determined this is a good thing to do. Thanks for any input. ···日本穣 ^{Talk to Nihonjoe} 23:25, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Anyone have any thoughts on this? I don't have a strong preference either way, but I'd like some input before I approve any more like this. ···日本穣 ^{Talk to Nihonjoe} 17:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

As described, this sounds as a very bad idea. The policy is described in Commons:File_renaming#Which_files_should_be_renamed?, and it doesn't include that any file can be renamed just because of the naming preferences of some user different from the uploader. Even if the requesting user could argue that his version looks a bit better (which I think it doesn't in this case), the policy clearly states that "Files should NOT be renamed only because the new name looks a bit better."

If somebody wants to make clear that Toronto is in Ontario, Canada, file names aren't the right place to do it, but categories and structured data.

In summary, I think Jugermai's requests should be reverted.--Pere prlpz (talk) 17:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

@Pere prlpz: That's kind of the way I'm leaning, too. I'll wait a bit to see if anyone else has any thoughts. ···日本穣 ^{Talk to Nihonjoe} 18:10, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

@Nihonjoe: Looking only at the last 20 or so requests, almost all of them are blatantly bad and should be denied. In particular they're claimed under criterion 4 and that criterion is very narrow. As explained by the footnote at COM:FR#cite_note-4, it's only for use in two cases: files that are parts of a larger work and files whose precise names are depended on by external systems (such as Wikisource and complex templates). Neither of those applies here.

There are a few cases (e.g. File:Old Mill ruins (I0015208).jpg) where renaming might be justified under criterion 2. Specifically the "Generic category rather than specific item" sub-criterion. Most of them have adequate specifications of the location in the name already, though. --bjh21 (talk) 12:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@Bjh21: Thanks for your comments. That confirms what I was thinking. It might take more than just me to clean them up, though. @Jugermai: It might be good for you to go in and remove the rename requests for most or all of these. I'll see what I can do to help, but it would be best for you to clean up the requests. ···日本穣 ^{Talk to Nihonjoe} 17:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@Nihonjoe Thank you for the corrections and guidance! I will start undoing the change requests. Is it alright to leave the file names that have already been approved, or is it better to revert them as well? Jugermai (talk) 18:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jugermai: I would suggest reverting them as well. ···日本穣 ^{Talk to Nihonjoe} 18:37, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jugermai: I can probably bulk-remove the rename requests from the ones that haven't been renamed using COM:VFC, so you might not need to do those ones. Give me an hour or so... --bjh21 (talk) 19:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jugermai: With the help of the magical COM:VFC, I have removed the remaining {{Rename}} templates that you added citing criterion 4. I expect there are some cases where renaming under criterion 2 instead would be appropriate; feel free to request it again in those cases. I've done the one I mentioned above. --bjh21 (talk) 19:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@Bjh21 YAY! Thank you so much for your help, I'm so glad there was a quick fix!

I'll go through and undo the already approved ones, and possibly re-request the ones with vague names. I will also try to look more into the date issue (getting the correct data) and using the appropriate template. Again, I really appreciate your help and patience. Thank you! Jugermai (talk) 19:57, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi, my apologies for causing trouble, I realize now I should have done more research before proceeding with all the name change requests! I am an intern working for Archives of Ontario (the uploader of the files), attempting to do data cleanup. Aside from editing the titles, I've also been editing the dates to be [ca. 1948-1972], as there was an error in the upload and most of the dates incorrectly read 1952. I understand the reasoning behind reverting the file name edits, but I just want to know if the date changes will/can be retained? Jugermai (talk) 14:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jugermai: Yes, those date changes will likely be kept. I would suggest not marking those as minor changes, though, since you're changing the meaning of the page. It would be even better to use one of the date templates like {{Other date}} or {{Complex date}}. For instance {{other date|~|1948|1972}} will give "between circa 1948 and circa 1972

date QS:P,+1950-00-00T00:00:00Z/7,P1319,+1948-00-00T00:00:00Z/9,P1326,+1972-00-00T00:00:00Z/9,P1480,Q5727902

" with proper translation into other languages.

Changing the names of files is special because those names are part of how files are referred to, both within MediaWiki and on external sites that use Commons' files. This is why we have quite restrictive file renaming guidelines and why renaming requests need to be approved by trusted users. --bjh21 (talk) 15:32, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jugermai: If you are certain that a date in the title of a file is wrong, that can be a valid reason to rename the file, but then that's per criterion 3, to correct an error. In the date field, if "ca. 1948-1972" is really the best that can be done, then "Category:Ontario in the 1950s" should also be removed. It may be replaced or not with "Category:Ontario in the 20th century". Isn't it at least possible to be sure that the date range is "1948-1972", without having to make it even more uncertain by adding "ca."? While editing, please also remove the empty "Category:" in many pages. -- Asclepias (talk) 15:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

In some of those "1948-1972" cases, it's possible to easily narrow the date range, on the basis of the pictured people, objects, buildings, events. For example, a photo of Lt. Gov. MacKay (not McKay) must be 1957-1963, and by consequence the other photos of the same event. (With research, it may even be possible to find the precise date of the event, but I understand that must not be part of the internship job.) -- Asclepias (talk) 16:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

While editing, a few other things could be usefully edited at the same time. Sometimes, the year category is not consistent with the date field, e.g. this photo has 1964 in the date field and 1960 in the category. A useful suggestion was made by a user on the talk page of the uploader VNDS: Commons indicates when images are in the public domain. For many images, their copyright is expired in Canada, they are also in the public domain in the United States, and thus they can, and probably should, use the proper public domain templates on Commons, as the case may be, such as PD-Canada and PD-1996, to adequately inform the viewers about their status. An offer, additionally, of an open license OGL-ON may be applicable for users in some countries in the rest of the world where a copyright might still subsist, but Commons gives particular attention to indicate the actual status in the United States and in Canada (country of origin). -- Asclepias (talk) 20:01, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

May 18

Editing a file's metadata

Is there a way to do it aside from downloading an image and editing it on a computer? Adamant1 (talk) 05:28, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

AFAIK, no. —Matrix(!) {user - talk? - _uselesscontributions} 15:03, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

A way was requested here. A drawback would be that it probably increases faulty metadata that is hard to correct. Prototyperspective (talk) 15:06, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Mandatory captions

Hi. Apparently, captions are now mandatory, at least when using Upload Wizard. Has this issue been discussed before the implementation? Strakhov (talk) 05:49, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@Strakhov: I believe that's a bug. See Commons:Upload_Wizard_feedback#Caption_same_as_Description:_boring_and_confusing. If this is something different, that's still the page on which to bring it up. - Jmabel ! talk 16:25, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

This bug seems to force some veteran users to leave this platform. N509FZ Talk 前置，有座！Front engine with seats! 10:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

If you are a veteran user, just ignore the "Wizard" and use Special:Upload. - Jmabel ! talk 13:54, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

But this isn't the reasonable excuse for abusing the power in developing without debugging. N509FZ Talk 前置，有座！Front engine with seats! 15:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Special:Upload is not practical if you have multiple files to upload, sadly UW is the only tool available (without needing to download Java). Bidgee (talk) 19:30, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Sure it is. You just ping-pong between two tabs and copy-paste the same text (or adjust as needed). Even for this I find it far easier to use than UW, which I've never liked at all. - Jmabel ! talk 05:41, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Not practical for me, since the tab/window (if I have two separate browser windows) will suspend and refresh. I have found UW simple enough (until recently) to use. Bidgee (talk) 20:16, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I went back to the old form as well. Ymblanter (talk) 21:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Changes in UploadWizard: lost autonumbering

So far, when loading many files, the number ending the names was increased by 1 in subsequent files. Now you have to renumber the names of all files manually. Why? Kenraiz (talk) 06:01, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

This is a known problem and will be fixed with the next MediaWiki update. GPSLeo (talk) 12:04, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Do you have a phab ticket at hand by chance? Thx in advance! —Marsupium (talk) 09:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Expain to me, please, what I have done wrong

Hello, could you please answer the last question I asked the admin on my user-talk page? They did not answer. For context: I requested deletion of several NSFW images for being outside of the scope of Commons for not being educational. Almost all of them were closed after a few hours and I was warned for vandalism. I now recognize that all (except one) of the requests were erroneous, because I didn't know that anything used on another Wikimedia project is unconditionally considered educational and that some of the images were parts of important "collections" or "projects" unknown to me. But the admin seemed to argue that no files should be ever deleted as uneducational (they said: "Creating deletion requests without a valid rationale disrupts the project"). Could you clear my misunderstanding, please? Ltalc (talk) 08:53, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Your only edits on Wikimedia Commons are requesting deletion of these images. We often have accounts created only for such a purpose, and we do not welcome them. Images showing nudity or sexual acts can have an educational value. And we do keep any file with a proper license used on another project. Thanks, Yann (talk) 09:10, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I understand now.

I would like kindly to ask you, for the sake of future newbies, to consider limiting the usage of the templated vandalism warning. When I saw it on my user-talk page, it at first provoked anger in me. I was accused of something I didn't do, vandalism – deliberate bad-faith destruction. I fully understand your motivation – Commons is surely flooded with vandalism every day, just like all wikis. But I have a feeling that overuse of that standardized warning has a quite adverse effect.

It would be nice if you elaborated to humble beginners like me what makes deletion reasons invalid. In my case, it took quite a long for me to understand that that rationale (of images not being educational) was not invalid per se, but it was invalid for each of the images for varying reasons, such as that I didn't know the policy or that I missed some context.

Take my advice with a grain of salt, I know almost nothing about Commons. Have a nice day. Ltalc (talk) 09:47, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree with this user and think people who start out with deletion requests or initially largely make a few DRs are dealt with way too harshly and without proper justification. Also I don't think the rationales were invalid, they are just not established recognized rationales but at least they're rationale and reasonable valid ones in addition. Repelling such users is problematic for several (incl those) reasons and doesn't really reduce workload. Prototyperspective (talk) 10:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

However, checking the contribs of the user, it doesn't seem like the text above is a roughly accurate description of what happened: the user removed a quite large number of files from Category:Files from Lies Thru a Lens Flickr stream, female model photos so the action seems probably appropriate. Prototyperspective (talk) 11:16, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Somewhat contradictory: "I know almost nothing about Commons." and "I requested deletion of several [..] images for being outside of the scope of Commons [..]". Enhancing999 (talk) 12:21, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

• Why do people look for nudity in images at Commons and then pretend to be shocked by them? --RAN (talk) 23:21, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

  @Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ): The answer seems to lie in the intersection between prudity and OCD.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 01:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Top right icon for POTY finalists and winners

Hi! I have already posted this here and here but I've been just told to post it here so here is my post here.

There already are icons on the top right of each file considered Featured picture , Valued image , Quality Image , Wiki Loves Earth winner and Wiki Loves Monuments winner . Could we also add a top right icon for Picture of the Year winners and finalists ?

There is two ways to do it.

One would be to copy paste the following code on each individual file page :

For 1st place files:

{{Top icon|imagename=POTY barnstar.svg|wikilink=Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2021/Results/All|description=This file was awarded first place in Picture of the Year 2021|imagesize=64px|sortkey=001}}

For 2nd place files:

{{Top icon|imagename=PODY 2nd barnstar.svg|wikilink=Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2021/Results/All|description=This file was awarded second place in Picture of the Year 2021|imagesize=64px|sortkey=002}}

For 3rd place files:

{{Top icon|imagename=PODY 3rd barnstar.svg|wikilink=Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2021/Results/All|description=This file was awarded third place in Picture of the Year 2021|imagesize=64px|sortkey=003}}

For finalist files:

{{Top icon|imagename=PODY ribbon.svg|wikilink=Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2021/Results/All|description=This file was a finalist in Picture of the Year 2021|imagesize=64px|sortkey=004}}

I have tested it and it works perfectly.

Another way is to edit this template and to edit the top code of the page to something that looks like this:

Code

{{#ifeq: {{{POTY}}} |1| {{Top icon | imagename = POTY barnstar.svg | imagesize = 64px | wikilink = Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/{{{POTYyear}}}/Results/All | description = This file was awarded first place in Picture of the Year {{{POTYyear}}} | sortkey = 001 }}}}<!-- -->{{#ifeq: {{{POTY}}} |2| {{Top icon | imagename = PODY 2nd barnstar.svg | imagesize = 64px | wikilink = Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/{{{POTYyear}}}/Results/All | description = This file was awarded second place in Picture of the Year {{{POTYyear}}} | sortkey = 002 }}}}<!-- -->{{#ifeq: {{{POTY}}} |3| {{Top icon | imagename = PODY 3rd barnstar.svg | imagesize = 64px | wikilink = Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/{{{POTYyear}}}/Results/All | description = This file was awarded third place in Picture of the Year {{{POTYyear}}} | sortkey = 003 }}}}<!-- -->{{#ifeq: {{{POTY}}} |f| {{Top icon | imagename = PODY ribbon.svg | imagesize = 64px | wikilink = Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/{{{POTYyear}}}/Results/All | description = This file was a finalist in Picture of the Year {{{POTYyear}}} | sortkey = 004 }}}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{quality|}}}|{{Top icon | imagename = Quality images logo.svg | imagesize = 64px | wikilink = Commons:Quality images | description = {{Top icon hover i18n|Quality image}} }}}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{featured|}}}|{{Top icon | imagename = {{#switch:{{{featured|}}}|1|3=Cscr-featured.svg|2|4=Cscr-former.svg}} | imagesize = 64px | wikilink = Commons:Featured pictures | description = {{#switch:{{{featured|}}}|1|3={{Top icon hover i18n|Featured picture}}|2|4={{Top icon hover i18n|Featured picture|former=y}} }} }}}}<!-- -->{{#if:{{{valued|}}}|{{Top icon | imagename = Valued image seal.svg | imagesize = 64px | wikilink = Commons:Valued images | description = {{Top icon hover i18n|Valued image}} }}}}<!-- end of topicons start of the banner -->

For the template code I’m not 100% sure because I can’t test it. I'm also not sure if {{{POTYyear}}} is the right way to display the year it won.

I hope this can get implemented and I wish you all a nice day.

-- Giles Laurent (talk) 19:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

•  Support Thanks for the proposal -- Basile Morin (talk) 08:03, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Transcriptions of uploads at Commons

I was just told that "Commons is not the place for transcription; go to Wikisource with this". But we have over 100,000 djvu files with embedded transcriptions, the same for older pdf files with embedded transcriptions. Should we delete all the embedded transcription text or are transcriptions allowed? While Wikisource is a place to store text, we have tens of thousands of books and news articles that do not appear in Wikisource, and we have no control over what meets Wikisource notability. My file did not have the text embedded in the pdf, but as text on the file page. I can embed the text inside the pdf, but then OCR errors will not be fixed and links to people/places/things cannot be formed. I can embed the text by combining the image with the text in a djvu file. If this is about server space, the text takes up the same amount of room if embedded or if appearing as text on the file page. And of course, each of the words in the text act as a keyword, if someone is searching for the document via a search engine. The title of the document-image gives minimal context. So, what are our rules? RAN (talk) 23:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't see a problem transcribing File:Albert Einstein Anzeige 1902.jpg, but your question seems to be about lengthy pdfs. Enhancing999 (talk) 16:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

• This is a 4 page letter. I can't find a rule that excludes text, since pdf and djvu files contain embedded text. One of the differences between Wikisource and Commons is annotations. Wikisource is for the original text, errors and misspellings remain in place. Commons allows annotations and references and notes. Wikisource also was removing links to Wikipedia and Wikidata until recently, and may go back to removing them. --RAN (talk) 18:49, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't see an issue with transcribing something like a paragraph per say and putting the transcription in the file description. Anything over that just seems like turning Commons into Wikisource or Wikipedia though. Especially if said transcription involves creating a whole new section outside of the file summary as was done with File:William Francis Norton (1857-1939) memoir.pdf, which is odd RAN didn't mention BTW since that seems to be what this whole thing is about. --Adamant1 (talk) 01:04, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

May 19

Is there a page or list of wikipedia entries that are considered examples to follow?

I'm looking for a resource that lists wikipedia pages that are widely recognized as models to follow. The category of entries closest to what I'm looking for might be described as a practice or service. For example adoption may be a good one. In the talk it is labeled as "This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment." Is there a way to find a list of articles that were part of Wiki Education Foundation, and could be consistered a 'gold standard' of wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nylnoj (talk • contribs) 17:08, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

You need to ask at Wikipedia: try w:Wikipedia:Help_desk. Enhancing999 (talk) 17:12, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

@Nylnoj: Hi, and welcome. See also this special page.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 10:57, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

May 20

Verify the existence of paintings

There have been a bunch of uploads with belgian artist´s Category:Léon Houyoux (1856 – 1940) works recently. I was unable to verify the existence of those paintings, even the titles don´t seem to match up with artnet. Do we have any proceedings for finding out if they are real/legit? Alexpl (talk) 08:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

@Alexpl: Why didn't you ask the uploader? Yann (talk) 09:21, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

The uploader already wrote "private collection". So that doesn´t really help - unless they are listed somewhere else. I did hope for somebody to come up with another good source for such things. Alexpl (talk) 09:50, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

at least one has source https://archive.org/details/catalogueillust1907soci/page/42/mode/2up?view=theater--Oursana (talk) 10:26, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

This comes directly from our family (descendants), these paintings have already been shown in retrospective exhibitions and appear in catalogs and books dedicated to Léon Houyoux. Yours sincerely, Nicolas Houyoux Halhyx (talk) 11:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

If the paintings have been documented in catalogs a.o. and you have the details for those publications, you should put them in the "Description" text for each file. Alexpl (talk) 15:43, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Новый интерфейс загрузки

Кто-то с недавних пор поменял интерфейс загрузки файлов. При копировании названий файлов автоматическая нумерация не работает. Если загружаешь семь файлов, то все они будут иметь число семь в своём названии после копирования, а не порядковый номер по загрузке. Зачем и почему? Теперь ещё и приходится заполнять подпись к файлу, что стало обязательным пунктом при загрузке. Она копируется в последующие загрузки, но дело в том, что размер подписи ограничен. Зачем нужна обязательная подпись, если есть обязательное описание? Мало того, описание теперь не копируется в последующие загрузки, хотя такая галочка копирования у меня всегда нажата, в результате чего приходится копировать вручную. Зачем нужно было предпринимать такие нововведения, которые затрудняют мне работу в Викискладе? Кто-нибудь советовался в теми, кто активно и помногу загружает изображения на Викисклад? --Engelberthumperdink (talk) 12:41, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Вы написали на русскоязычном форуме, я там ответил и дал ссылки. Ymblanter (talk) 13:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I'll copy this to Commons:Upload Wizard feedback as well. - Jmabel ! talk 17:04, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Identity theft

someone is downloading all kinds of files that ain't true to my accounts..this last one that I share with Evan Remillard...not true I'm never joined no family I don't have no online buissnesses or events someone is using my identity..I want info how to close this account please they are changing stuff from 2022 2023.mot only here Facebook Twitter 2603:7081:7C00:2292:E14C:852D:D0AC:4C4E 17:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Since you don't say what account this is about there is nothing we can do. - Jmabel ! talk 01:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Bugs in Upload Wizard

Hi, can I report bugs in the Upload Wizard here? If not, would anyone be kind enough to copy and paste these to the appropriate place? (I do not have an account for any bug-reporting system, and do not want one.)

1. I tried to type ''...'' (pairs of single quotes) around a word in the "Title" field, wanting italics but forgetting that it was the filename, and got the incorrect message "Please write a more informative title". No matter how "informative" I made the title, the message persisted until I removed the quote characters.

2. Uploading multiple files, "Copy title (with automatic numbering)" did not create automatic numbering. Instead, it put the same numeric suffix on all files, which I then had to change manually.

3. Uploading multiple files, "Copy description" no longer seems to work. I'm guessing that this may be because the "Same as caption" setting is not turned off for the subsequent files, which I suppose it needs to be for the description to be picked up.

Thanks, ITookSomePhotos (talk) 17:58, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

@ITookSomePhotos: For the second point there is an answer above (see section #Changes in UploadWizard: lost autonumbering). --ZandDev (talk) 21:46, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

@ITookSomePhotos: In general, try Commons:Upload Wizard feedback. - Jmabel ! talk 01:38, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

thanks, will do ITookSomePhotos (talk) 21:42, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Strange behaviour of PDF previewer

I was surfing Piedmontese language category and I found inside the subcategory Bibia piemontèisa with some files, as e.g. Esechiel (test complèt).pdf. The thumb image is the (fallback?) PDF icon and it is written that the file dimensions are 0×0. Chrome file viewer display the files correctly (it has 127 pages, A5, PDF-1.5). --ZandDev (talk) 21:56, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

@ZandDev: I purged the problematic files and they show up correctly for me now. MKFI (talk) 06:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

@MKFI Perfect, better this way. -- ZandDev (talk) 11:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

May 21

Photo challenge March results

Grays: Entries • Votes • Scores

Rank	1	2	3
image
Title	Sieben graue Köpfe	Reflections - Shyok River	Nina-Replica
Author	Mensch01	Prof Ranga Sai	Wingerham52
Score	20	18	11

Courthouses: Entries • Votes • Scores

Rank	1	2	3
image
Title	Palazzo di Guistizia with Courte di Cassazione at river Tiber, Rome, Italy	North facade of Palais de justice de Paris.	Supreme Court of Finland at night
Author	Mozzihh	FreCha	GPSLeo
Score	19	15	12

Congratulations to Mozzihh, FreCha, GPSLeo, Mensch01, Prof Ranga Sai and Wingerham52. -- Jarekt (talk) 03:32, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Rename a file

How do I rename an image here? File:Pinconning.jpg is clashing with a Pinconning.jpg on Wikipedia proper, and I would like to rename the former. TenPoundHammer (talk) 18:02, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

You could just use the export to wikimedia commons button inside (top of) the wikipedia page, during the export process you will have the opportunity of renaming the file to (example) Pinconning, cows in a field.jpg. Otherwise, you could apply for file mover rights to rename your own file, which is unnecessary. Broichmore (talk) 19:31, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

@Broichmore: the "export" approach presumes User:TenPoundHammer wants to move the file to Commons from [an unspecified] Wikipedia. I think what they are complaining about is that the Wikipedia file is "masking" access to the Commons file on that Wikipedia. Seems like a valid reason to move/rename the Commons file.

@TenPoundHammer: I can't see the particular form of the UI that you get, but there should typically be a "move" button in a navigation strip just above the image. If you don't have filemover privileges, that will just let you request a move for someone else to carry out. Alternatively, you can edit the wikitext and use {{Rename}}, which will have the same effect. - Jmabel ! talk 03:21, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

The file was uploaded to enwiki under a free license. I see no reason to not have a file like that on Commons instead, so now it is. ReneeWrites (talk) 19:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

@TenPoundHammer: COM:FRNOT item 3 says that in such cases the file on Wikipedia should be renamed. Inertia6084, who renamed the Commons file, might want to review our guidelines. --bjh21 (talk) 12:27, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

This was uploaders request (Criterion 1), although Crit. 6 was given. So "... who renamed the ... want to review our guidelines", doesn't make sense. How should I have known this? The history says "(Uploaded own work with UploadWizard)", not "uploaded from en.wiki" - So the uploader uploaded this themselves, not via Wikipedia. Inertia6084 (talk) (talk) 12:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC) PS if someone likes to get it renamed to another name, please give me a ping. Thnx. - Inertia6084 (talk) (talk) 12:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@Inertia6084: Oh, yes, it's me who should have reviewed the history of the file! I'm very sorry! I shall now go and rename some files to compensate for my mistake. --bjh21 (talk) 12:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

May 22

Feedback invited on Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle

You can find this message translated into additional languages on Meta-wiki. Please help translate to your language

Dear community members,

The Community Affairs Committee (CAC) of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees invites you to give feedback on a draft Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle. This draft Procedure outlines proposed steps and requirements for opening and closing Wikimedia Sibling Projects, and aims to ensure any newly approved projects are set up for success. This is separate from the procedures for opening or closing language versions of projects, which is handled by the Language Committee or closing projects policy.

You can find the details on this page, as well as the ways to give your feedback from today until the end of the day on June 23, 2024, anywhere on Earth.

You can also share information about this with the interested project communities you work with or support, and you can also help us translate the procedure into more languages, so people can join the discussions in their own language.

On behalf of the CAC,

RamzyM (WMF) 02:24, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

British English = Tsonga?

I have my language preference for this project set to "British English", as English is my mother tongue (do people have any idea just how offensive it is for English to be termed as 'British English" while American English is described as 'English', I wonder?). In the last week or so, parts of any page I access are displayed in a language that Google Translate seems to think is at least partly Tsonga; example: "Yi efo/eka'e gwa ebo wo le nyangagi wuncin ye kamina wunga tinya nan". Does anyone know what's going on, and if anyone's working to fix it? Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 08:30, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

@Justlettersandnumbers: That text shows here.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 14:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

FWIW, we have both "British English" (en-UK) and "American English" (en-US). Unqualified "English" (en) can be either, or any of a number of other national variants (e.g. en-CA or en-IN), and is on something of a "first come, first serve" basis. No comment on the Tsonga thing, though. - Jmabel ! talk 17:58, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

We also choose not to fight the American Revolution again.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 19:08, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Emilio Segrè Visual Archives

Someone left a message here stating The Emilio Segrè Visual Archives copyright policy: Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Harold_Urey,_c._1932.jpg. Is there anyway we can automate aggregating all the images that originate with them into Category:Emilio Segrè Visual Archives? --RAN (talk) 18:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

@Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ): am I correct that the the Emilio Segrè Visual Archives is a subset of the Niels Bohr Library and Archives? If so, is there anything in the source URL that will tell us that a particular file is part of the Emilio Segrè Visual Archives? - Jmabel ! talk 18:59, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

• I am not sure what belongs to what part of the archive, but when I search for Emilio Segrè Visual Archives I get those results, can you see them from the link, if not just type "Emilio Segrè Visual Archives" in search. It appears that images from the Emilio Segrè Visual Archives have their own copyright statement apart from the Niels Bohr Library and Archives. It appears that Niels Bohr Library and Archives may house the physical prints. --RAN (talk) 19:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

@Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ): I would suggest that rather than a fully automated solution, you could use Cat-a-lot or VFC on that search result to add the category. Probably there are other tools as well, but those are the two I would consider. - Jmabel ! talk 17:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

• I have never used Cat-a-lot that way, but I will give it a try. --RAN (talk) 17:56, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Problem with Upload

There is a problem with Special:Upload. Once you have completed the form and submit for uploading, if there is a problem with the selected file name it chooses a new valid name and gives you a chance to proceed. It used to have buttons to change the name or use the selected name. But the problem is it looses all of the description, licencing & categories that has been entered, just offering a blank form with a basic description template. Keith D (talk) 21:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

@Keith D: I'm not sure I follow that. Could you describe the old and new sequence, indicating where they differ? Or maybe someone can understand this as written and give you an answer. - Jmabel ! talk 17:32, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

May 23

dates in structured data

In structured data when you add a date for inception or publication_date, you have the option of making it "Mark as prominent", is there an instance where you want to mark a date that way? Or do we not need "Mark as prominent" when dates are added? --RAN (talk) 05:22, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

If a field only contains one entry it's automatically treated as the prominent one. This is the default, so you don't need to worry about all the entries on Commons or Wikidata that don't have them marked as such. The prompt to mark something as prominent only appears if there are two (or more) conflicting entries in one field, in which case Wikidata doesn't quite know what to do with it and asks you to pick one. ReneeWrites (talk) 07:19, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

How is this possible ?

How is this possible ? The File:Silvermynt - Skoklosters slott - 109422.tif was rotated in 2019 but still appears upside down ! --DenghiùComm (talk) 15:27, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

• You have to do a hard purge of your cache, it is still loading the old version from your cache. I see the rotated version. --RAN (talk) 16:55, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Photographers

Some categories for photographers display the Creator template and some do not. Which is the preferred? RAN (talk) 17:56, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

When a photographer does not have Creator-template it likely hasn't been created yet or it hasn't been added to Wikidata (where it should be marked). Also Commons is slow to update the view for recently added entries under categories. Ipr1 (talk) 21:00, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Category:Bain copyright notice and Bettman

At Category:Bain copyright notice Bettman Archive appears as a subcategory, but should not. Can someone see what is causing the inclusion? --RAN (talk) 18:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Someone forgot the colon there. -- Asclepias (talk) 18:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Italian cultural heritage law application outside Italy

Most of us long believed that the Italian cultural heritage law (a non-copyright restriction-related law from 2004) only applies uses within Italy. This is finally untrue: the law has jurisdiction outside Italy as well. It is documented at w:en:Vitruvian Man#Legal dispute as well as in this article by Belgium-based COMMUNIA, regarding a successful case against a famous German toy manufacturer. Whether the same applies to the Internet is a gray area, however, but I may feel the Italian courts will abhor American lex loci protectionis defenses just as they abhored the German toy manufacturer's defense that they are in Germany and are not subject to the laws of Italy. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 21:39, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

It appears the German toy manufacturer got an ally from a court in Stuttgart, which ruled that the company has the right to reproduce a public domain work, much to the fury of the Italian ministry of culture, which now argues they are prepared to challenge the "abnormal" ruling made by Stuttgart court, even in the European or even the international legal arenas. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 21:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Links:

• Venice, 2022, in Italian
• Stuttgart, 2024, in German

-- Asclepias (talk) 23:14, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Well, it doesn't affect us unless US law recognizes it, right? We only have to follow US law. We choose to follow non-US law as a courtesy, but if we decide as a community that the law "represent(s) an assault on the very concept of a public domain", we can feel free to ignore it. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 23:46, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@King of Hearts that may be, unless either the Italian art gallery sends a cease-and-desist letter to Wikimedia, or if an international court (assuming the Italian officials have already filed complaint on the international stage) ruled that the law of the artwork's country if origin is honored, not the law of the countries of the "infringers" (be it German or U.S. laws). But, yes, it may be a matter for the next generation of editors, as this may become the very first of cases where extraterritoriality of a law is involved and may change the perception of lex loci protectonis principle. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 00:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

The Italian entities do not target Commons anyway (for now), because their rules target commercial uses (for now). But they might try to target people who reuse Commons files commercially. The saying that we only have to follow US law is used specifically in the context of copyright law (because treaties provide that a website is assumed to be publishing in the country of the servers for matters that relate specifically to copyright, although there are nuances), but not necessarily in the context of other laws. In matters other than copyright, if something published on a website violates a law in a country, the usual rules can apply in that country. The Italian cultural assets code is not based on copyright. (It's doing something with effects similar to copyright without calling it copyright so it circumvents the limits of copyright.) In general, a country's laws must be complied with in that country. What's special is that the Italian entities claim that the Italian cultural assets code applies even to actions done in other countries and that non-Italian courts do not have jurisdiction to decide about them even in their own respective countries. -- Asclepias (talk) 01:16, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

For mitigation reason, the templates {{Italy-MiBAC-disclaimer}} and {{PD-Italy}} should include a warning (probably a separate box below the relevant box holding the PD text) that states reusers globally should exercise caution when reusing Italian public domain works if those works are works of art and architecture, due to the cultural heritage laws of the country, and with link to COM:General disclaimer. Note that due to the situation, the scope of the warning should be international and not confined to the Italian reusers. And ICYMI, Getty Images might be the first of U.S.-hosted media repository sites to be targeted by the expanding Cultural Heritage Code: read here. The impacted work is the famous Statue of David by Michelangelo in Firenze/Florence, and the Florentine court is ordering the Italian-language edition of Getty Images to take down all images of the statue, using the Cultural Heritage Code as the basis. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 05:08, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

If they are really enforcing this I this this will soon go to the European Court of Justice and I do not think that this rule complies with the copyright directive. GPSLeo (talk) 05:27, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

That is hubris on the part of the Florentine court.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 08:38, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@JWilz12345: The MiBAC-disclaimer template is already the warning made for that. The scope of the PD-Italy template is to describe the copyright status in Italy. Adding text about something else would only be confusing. -- Asclepias (talk) 10:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

The two Florence cases seem to be about the validity and the application of the Italian code within Italy. In that sense, they are not really out of the ordinary. The Da Vinci cases are those where the Italian ministry of Culture claimed to rule what is done in the entire world. -- Asclepias (talk) 10:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)