Commons:Deletion requests/File:2001 A Space Odyssey (1968) - Trailer.webm

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File:2001 A Space Odyssey (1968) - Trailer.webm[edit]

This argument only applies when the work is originally created, not being a snippet of copyright works. If the argument is valid, then we would rejoice on, probably, the most insane release of public domain material ever. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 10:43, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is indeed no copyright notice in this trailer. Also concerned File:2001 A Space Odyssey title.jpg. Yann (talk) 18:24, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In the U.S. before 1978, federal copyright happened when works were published. If a trailer was published before a movie, and lacked a copyright notice, then the expression in the trailer became public domain. You could almost argue the movie is technically a derivative work of the trailer, but even if technically not, the expression still became PD -- the movie could not bring it back from that status. (Both could be a derivative work of a book or similar, however, depending on if text/dialogue from the book was used.). Publication for movies happened when copies were given to to movie distributors though -- the actual screening of a movie was not publication itself. So test showings, when still under control of the production company, were not publication. This one worries me a bit since at the end, it implies the movie is already out, so it may not be certain this was a trailer sent out *before* the movie was. That could have just been added to a trailer that was published earlier, of course. Carl Lindberg (talk) 22:29, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I guess I should add that a copyright notice was supposed to be on *all* copies. So, a later trailer without a notice might have injected some of that expression into the public domain anyways. Where it can get troublesome is the creation of any plot or character copyrights; a subsequent trailer could be derivative of those. There was one case involving publicity material around some Tom & Jerry cartoons, as well as the "Wizard of Oz" movie. Publicity material published before the movie/cartoon was deemed public domain, since there was no notice. However, the character copyrights were established upon publication of the movie. Subsequent publicity material, while having no notice, were deemed derivative works of the character copyrights (since obviously there are pictorial elements to a character in a cartoon, and very visual elements in The Wizard of Oz) and still protected by the film that way. Stills of the previews are likely fine, but it can get fuzzier for the full trailer, if it post-dated the publication of the movie. Carl Lindberg (talk) 06:29, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: per discussion. --Ellywa (talk) 20:13, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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