Commons:Deletion requests/File:Race to Halifax (53039251050).jpg

File:Race to Halifax (53039251050).jpg

Warren E. Patriquin was a Photographer for the Boston Herald newspaper. There is no evidence or statement that Salem State University has permission from either.

See: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/71188717/warren_edward-patriquin Ooligan (talk) 00:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Ooligan How about you create a central conversation rather than individually nominating images from the same collection for the same rationale? This is getting really tedious.

Institution (Salem State University) has acquired a vast collection of photos, and has assessed/ published them under this license. We tend to trust such institutions to be deliberate in which licenses they release photographs under and informed when doing so. SecretName101 (talk) 00:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Please, see the previously deleted photo here: Commons:Deletion requests/File:Mike Dukakis and Fred Winthrop with their wives at the Crane Estate (53084945285).jpg. Thanks, -- Ooligan (talk) 00:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@SecretName101, can you please, provide a link showing permission by Warren Patriquin? -- Ooligan (talk) 01:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Ooligan If you would please read the aforementioned, I suggested in absence of clear reason for doubt, we should take the reputable institution's assessment of the image's licensing as that evidence. They placed it under a free-to-use commons license, which we should take to mean they assessed themselves as holding the right to publish it under such. SecretName101 (talk) 01:11, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@SecretName101, I had already "read the aforementioned"- before I replied with a respectful question, which you did not attempt to answer. -- Ooligan (talk) 01:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Ooligan Warren Patriquin was the photographer, but he presumably never held ownership of this or many of his works, as he was long a commissioned staff photographer for various news outlets. News outlets tend take ownership of photographs captured on their dime. So it seems odd you want to see permission from someone who likely would never had held ownership in the first place. Also, someone you know has been dead since 1997. SecretName101 (talk) 07:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

From their Flickr account, Salem State University Archives and Special Collections

"We offer these images on Flickr in order to provide greater access to our collections. Enjoy! Researchers assume full responsibility for conforming to copyright, laws of libel, and property rights when quoting or publishing materials. Contact the archivist when considering reproducing or publishing content from the Archives & Special Collections."

Also, you wrote, "... he presumably never held ownership..." as well as "... someone who likely would never had held ownership..." (emphasis added). Please, see COM:PCP -- Ooligan (talk) 09:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Let me rephrase it: it is almost certain that the newspaper would have owned those rights and never the photog SecretName101 (talk) 12:58, 7 May 2024 (UTC)