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File:Stanley Kubrick in Dr. Strangelove Trailer (4).jpg

and: File:Stanley Kubrick in Dr. Strangelove Trailer (4) Cropped.jpg . --Túrelio (talk) 11:55, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Film shot in UK so no reason for U.S. law to apply. Besides it's a photo and not a video: in which country has it been shot? Patrick Rogel (talk) 21:54, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

This was a trailer made for America by Columbia Pictures, and because of the terms in the box here, it's Public Domain. StrangeloveFan101 (talk) 00:16, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Don't know if it's the UK or the US trailer. Nevertheless image uploaded here is an image in the trailer too so the question is: in which country has it been shot and when does it dates back (since Kubrick was still an UK resident at the time and returns back briefly in the US only for shooting The Shining some years after) and has it been published independently before appering in the trailer. --Patrick Rogel (talk) 04:49, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@Patrick Rogel: Since this photo was published in the trailer, it is part of the trailer. As for it being a UK or US trailer, I'm assuming someone did research on whether or not if it is Public Domain before uploading it here. StrangeloveFan101 (talk) 08:22, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Who knows? I put a few hundreds of files on deletion each day just because files are not free... --Patrick Rogel (talk) 16:30, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

However, it was produced by Columbia Pictures, an American company. At least, that's what the infobox for Dr. Strangelove says on Wikipedia. StrangeloveFan101 (talk) 08:25, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

The production company is Hawk Films, Kubrick's British own. Nevertheless nationality of the distributor of the trailer is irrelevant since it's a photography inserted in the trailer, not a video so the copyright is with the photographer. --Patrick Rogel (talk) 16:30, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

It doesn't matter where it was shot. It matters where it was first published. If that was in a U.S. trailer, then the U.S. is the country of origin. Publication is usually when films (or trailers) are sent to distributors. If the photograph in question was earlier published in the UK, it would be different. Carl Lindberg (talk) 22:22, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

 Keep. The picture here is part of a trailer that was released and published for American audiences. I cannot find any evidence that this picture was published prior to this trailer. And like the PD info on the trailer indicates, it has no copyright notice. StrangeloveFan101 (talk) 19:19, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

No, there's no indication it's the American trailer. And what are you talking about? There's no trailer at https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Dr-Strangelove-or-How-I-Learned-to-Stop-Worrying-and-Love-the-Bomb-Blu-ray/152607/#Review. --Patrick Rogel (talk) 10:47, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Also, when I put in an edited version of the file, and said original photo, I should have specified original screenshot not an original photo, because I edited it from the high-res trailer. StrangeloveFan101 (talk) 10:37, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

@Patrick Rogel: , with the link you provided from Blu-Ray.com, under the Special Features and Extras section, it lists the trailer. It says it's four minutes, but I'm pretty sure they were rounding out the number there. As for whether it's an American trailer or not, I asked Racconish (who uploaded this version of the trailer) how they may have found out it was published in America. StrangeloveFan101 (talk) 11:42, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

It was a worldwide trailer and the country of registration (if any) seems secondary since it's the country of first publication which matters. --Patrick Rogel (talk) 14:20, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

•  Keep This is not about the film but about the theatrical and TV trailer, which was notoriously made by Pablo Ferro [1] [2] [3], produced by Polaris Inc. and distributed by Columbia [4] [5]. — Racconish ^💬 13:37, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Nice research @Racconish: but not all of them are good picks. First and according to @Clindberg: the nationality of the designer, of Polaris, of Columbia Pictures doesn't matter. Second the article of Film Bulletin has been written before the shooting: it obviously doesn't say in which country's theaters the trailer has been screened first (as far as I have understood is the million-dollars question here which will be hard to adress since the film enjoyed a simultaneous release in both U.S.A. and U.K.). Note: I remember a similar DR involving a Barry Lyndon shot was less time-consuming... --Patrick Rogel (talk) 14:20, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

@Patrick Rogel: , the nationality of the distributor(s) should matter, because if they own something or first published something (or did), then that'll indicate which country's copyright laws apply. StrangeloveFan101 (talk) 14:34, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

No the nationality of the distributor(s) (they are often different distributors for one same movie) is irrelevant since they don't hold the copyright; it's the production company which does. --Patrick Rogel (talk) 14:50, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

@Patrick Rogel: OK, thanks for telling me. StrangeloveFan101 (talk) 15:17, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Also, Clindberg was talking about how it doesn't matter where something was first shot/filmed, and that it matters where it was first published. StrangeloveFan101 (talk) 14:37, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Peter Krämer explicitely writes : "Ever since the first public announcement of Kubrick's new project in the summer of 1962, Americans had been kept informed about its progress by the press. The number of publications about the film increased in 1963 and early 1964, complemented by print advertisements and also, eventually, by trailers in cinemas and on television. [6]" His dedicated article here details the American promotion of the film ahead of the premiere, including the use of the trailer. See also here. — Racconish ^💬 14:49, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

And? You should have misread what Clindberg and I have written. It seems this discussion is going nowhere: nobody has said that there have been no publicity campaign in the U.S.A. Before I quit it I add that movies are released on Fridays both in the US and UK (if it helps).--Patrick Rogel (talk) 15:03, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Not sure it helps, since we are discussing the trailer, not the film . As you can see here the trailer was available to US theaters before the premiere. — Racconish ^💬 15:07, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

The film was released on the same day in the UK and the US, and later in other countries. Seems likely the film was simultaneously published (i.e. within 30 days of each other) in both countries. The rules would probably favor the U.S. being the country of origin in that case ("the country whose legislation grants the shortest term of protection", per the Berne Convention). And while the UK was the Berne country of origin at the time, but the U.S. has since joined it. The trailer I guess would presumably be similar, as it would have been published before the movie in a similar fashion, if it was used in both countries. The UK and other countries would likely protect it longer, since they have treaties with the U.S. saying they will protect works per their own terms (i.e. the rule of the shorter term may not apply). The trailer seems to be fine in the U.S. either way (it's considered an American work there, did not have a copyright license, and would not have been subject to the URAA). Carl Lindberg (talk) 18:57, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

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Kept: per Clindberg. --4nn1l2 (talk) 08:07, 19 March 2021 (UTC)